Interview with Professor ENVER IMAMOVIĆ - from The first opponent against the idea that the Pyramids exist in He is the most quoted Bosnian critic who condemns the research of the The interview with Professor Enver IMAMOVIC is below. Note:
The Foundation has inserted several illustrations and certain parts of
the texts are written in red ink, just to highlight Prof. Imamovic’s
judgments and claims, so that our readers can judge better for
themselves.
This Inteview was conducted by: Merima Bojić: History and Political science major, the student at UCLA (Los Angeles), USA
BOJIĆ: Prof. Imamović can you hear me?
IMAMOVIC: I can hear you.
BOJIĆ:
Ok. We can hear each other professor Imamović. This conversation will
be recorded, and you are aware of this, so I just want to confirm that
you are aware, and this interview will be published.
IMAMOVIĆ: OK. Good
BOJIĆ: The subject that we are talking about is the pyramids in
IMAMOVIĆ: That's right.
BOJIĆ: Can you give me any information or reasons why you firmly believe that the pyramids do not exist?
IMAMOVIĆ: First of all, those locations, not only the areas around Visoko, but the areas of the entire
Prof. Senad Hodović, 18 years director of the
„The area of the mediaeval city of
Prof. dr. Enver Imamović: „Ovaj lokalitet je izuzetno arheološki istražen“
Imamović: ... There are a large number of publications, there is a lexicon, where the locations in question are recorded, and it says who had explored these particular locations, and what was found there. Therefore, all of the archaeologists are very familiar with Visoko and its surrounding locations. The location, where he is looking for the so-called pyramids is the simple hill of the geological substance, the same as the rest of that area. Besides that, the archaeologists and the historians are well aware about the remains in those hills, the remains dating from the several epochs ago, meaning, from the thousands of years ago. . At the same place were the so-called Illyrian ramparts, also, the settlement from the prehistoric era. In addition to that, 4000 years ago, there was also a fortress, and bellow that was a communal settlement. In the mid ages, there was a communal settlement bellow the city. In the past, we had come across the traces of those edifices, and constructions, and therefore, wherever one digs will find those remains.
This photo shows the aerial snapshot of the ancient city of
IMAMOVIĆ: If
we are talking about the tunnels that so-called researcher is talking
about, than we are talking about the mine pits. It has been always
known that in pre-historic age, the Roman age and the medieval age,
these mine pits were used for iron excavations, and therefore, that’s
why we have these tunnels
BOJIĆ: Can you, please, sorry for interrupting you, I have to interrupt you here. Can you please tell me who and when did all the mining in that area?
IMAMOVIĆ: The mining took place for a long time, and it was written and published in the books about this. I cannot remember now, but it was published in lexicons of the
BOJIĆ: Are you telling me that you don’t know this?
IMAMOVIĆ: There are the monographs about the city of
BOJIĆ:
But, Prof. Imamović, I have been to Visoko, and visited this ancient
city, and there is no evidence that the mining excavations ever took
place.
IMAMOVIĆ: the evidence was written in the books, and also published.
BOJIĆ: What books professor Imamović?
IMAMOVIĆ: The Archaeological lexicon of
BOJIĆ: What types of minerals were excavated?
IMAMOVIĆ: Excuse me?
IMAMOVIĆ: There is a lexicon about the biology of
BOJIĆ:
However, we know that the gold pits never existed there, nor any mining
pits of copper, or the iron, etc., so why are you talking about such
things?
IMAMOVIĆ: How come that you are claiming that they never existed?
BOJIĆ: No, no…. I saw that.
IMAMOVIĆ: So …?
BOJIĆ: I am asking you this from the objective, academic stand point of view
IMAMOVIĆ: Pay
attention, we are talking here about the mining pits, many skeletons of
the former miners were found in the past, including the equipment that
they had used in those mining pits, and besides that, that entire hill,
which is the geological area is full of caverns, meaning, those are
also natural caves, and satellite photos taken show this. Those that
are not experts can interpret this as the secret tunnels of some
pyramids, but the fact is that they are natural caves, we call it
caverns. At the same time, there are also the mining pits for the
reasons I just mentioned.
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: „Pay attention, we are talking about the mining pits“
„The fact is that these are not the mining pits or natural caves.“
BOJIĆ: Prof. Imamovic, I understand. How can you explain the intersections in the tunnels at angles of 45 degrees?
IMAMOVIĆ: I don’t believe that. He is just making things up.
BOJIĆ: Who is making things up?
IMAMOVIĆ: Everything that those researchers are talking about has not been investigated, nor published in any scientific magazine.
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: „I don’t believe that. He is just making things up. “
IMAMOVIĆ: That’s not true.
Note;
The photo shows Dr. geologist Ali- Barakat (Cairo, Egypt) and Dr.
geophysicist, Amer Smailbegović (Reno, Nevada, USA). After the
inspection, they have concluded that the tunnels are much older than
the medieval century.
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: “Everything that those researchers are talking about has not been investigated. “
BOJIĆ: I was there, I met those people. .
IMAMOVIĆ: Don’t listen to what he is saying and writing about, that’s different…...
BOJIĆ: I met those professors and geophysicist from
IMAMOVIĆ: It’s not true what he says.
BOJIĆ: But professor, this is not what Osmanagić had told me, I was there, I saw them
IMAMOVIĆ: Anything could be written in the newspapers, he hasn’t published.....
BOJIĆ: Professor Imamovic, I did not read this in the news, I was there at the same time as the Geophysicists from
IMAMOVIĆ: What geophysicists, what engineers?
BOJIĆ: Professor Imamovic, they were there and they were from
IMAMOVIĆ: That’s not true!
BOJIĆ: But I was there...
IMAMOVIĆ: Allow me please, that was a group of people from
BOJIĆ: Professor Imamovic, they had the geophysicists from
IMAMOVIĆ: Listen,
he may be introducing them that way, all those people are just some
students that haven’t even graduated from school yet. We have here one sophomore student that Osmanagic is introducing as an expert, and that’s the case.
This photo is showing the geophysicists from
The methods used: seismic refractions, reflection, electromagnetic methods, as well as the geo-radar recording. The expert team was led by Dr. Dejan Vučković, and other members included the engineers Gejan Miloševski, Branislav Sretkovič, Dragana Mihić, and Slobodan Jevremović.
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: „What geophysicists, what engineers, those are just students that haven’t even graduated yet“
BOJIĆ: What is the name of that student?
IMAMOVIĆ: I am not going to mention names but....
Dr.-Ing.
Andreas Hasenstab je predvodio njemačke eksperte iz firme LGA
Bautechnik GmbH na georadarskom snimanju Bosanske doline piramida u
decembru 2006.g.
Prof. dr. Enver Imamović: „Kakvi geofizičari, kakvi inžinjeri, to su nezavršeni studenti.“
Dr.-Engineer.
Andreas Hasenstab led the German experts from LGA Bautechnik GmbH and
conducted the geo-radar recordings on the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun,
December, 2006.
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: „What geophysicists, what engineers, those are just students that haven’t even graduated yet“
BOJIĆ: It is very important to mention those names….
IMAMOVIĆ: Allow me, everything that they are writing about on some websites, is not relevant for the science. It is important to publish things in the scientific magazine, and none of that was ever published. Anything
could be written and published in the news, and besides that, he is
just a businessman with the political science degree, and therefore, he
is not the expert. It would be the same as if I started working in the
Medical field. Everything he does could be
interesting to the media and to those that are not aware about the
difference between archaeology, geology and ethnology.
Semir
Osmanagić (Masters in Political Sciences, Masters in international
economics, 2 years of sociology also Masters, and wrote his PhD
dissertation on History of Civilizations, titled “The World of the
Mayas. Osmanagic is also the author of several books that are published in The United States, Turkey, Estonia,
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: „ he is just a businessman with the political science degree, and therefore, he is not the expert. “
BOJIĆ: Thank you prof. Imamović for this explanation.
IMAMOVIĆ: And all other archaeologists said the same thing about him.
BOJIĆ: How do you explain prof. Mohamed Ibrahim Ally, he was also there in Visoko, he is the expert from
Profesor Mohamed Ibrahim Aly, Dr. Egyptologist also the archaeologist, was one of the leading experts (
Dr. Geologist, Aly Barakat (
MA, Lamia El Hadidi the archaeologist and Egyptologist, has 20 years of experience (
IMAMOVIĆ: Those
of you that are claiming that Egyptian experts came; well the Egyptian
pyramids are one thing, right? Secondly, they are the geologists, what
does the geology have in common with archaeology, please? Geology is one thing and archaeology is the second thing. What does the geology have to do with the pyramids?
BOJIĆ: well, you know what…...
IMAMOVIĆ: That is an absurd!
BOJIĆ: You teach History?
IMAMOVIĆ: And archaeology.
BOJIĆ: And archaeology
BOJIĆ: What period?
IMAMOVIĆ: Excuse me?
BOJIĆ: What period?
IMAMOVIĆ: The Ancient period, prehistory and ancient time.
BOJIĆ: Give me the specific period.
IMAMOVIĆ: Prehistory, ancient time and all up to Middle Ages. I am the expert for all this.
BOJIĆ: Prof.Imamović, I have to ask you this, when did you visit Visoko?
IMAMOVIĆ: Often, I come from that area.
BOJIĆ: Did you visit those locations?
IMAMOVIĆ: Of course.
BOJIĆ: So, you were there when the excavations took place?
IMAMOVIĆ: No, I was not; there is no need to go.
BOJIĆ: Prof. Imamović, sorry to interrupt you..
IMAMOVIĆ: He is ruining the remains of the epochs that are behind us...
BOJIĆ:
Prof. Imamović I have to ask you, wait just for a second…Tell me, I
have to ask you from the objective stand point of view; are you saying
that you never visited those locations, since the excavations have
taken place?
IMAMOVIĆ: That’ right, I have not been there since.
BOJIĆ: I visited those locations, I saw the blocks, neatly lying down and so on, and how can you explain this?
IMAMOVIĆ: I have told you, those are the remains 4000 years old, from prehistory, the Roman times and Middle Age. Those are house foundations several centuries old...
BOJIĆ: But if they are house foundations, they would look different Pr. Imamovic.
The
photo shows the concrete walls on the Northern side of the Sun pyramid
with the angles, almost identical to the Khufu Pyramid in
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: “Those are house foundations several centuries old “.
IMAMOVIĆ: The remains of the street pavements and roads. .
BOJIĆ: Why do they look like terraces?
IMAMOVIĆ: Excuse me?
BOJIĆ: Why is the Moon Pyramid or
Such rocks are found all over
The photo shows the carved stone blocks on the Bosnian Pyramid of the Moon
Prof.
Dr. Enver Imamović: „ Because it is the hollow hill, just like any
Mountain in the world, those are geological formations. “
BOJIĆ: Prof. Imamović, how do you explain the stone balls?
IMAMOVIĆ: Same thing, also the work of nature just like anything else in the world.
BOJIĆ: Prof. Imamović, this is not a specific explanation. Such stone balls were found only in
IMAMOVIĆ: How do you know that
BOJIĆ: Well, they haven’t been found there yet....
IMAMOVIĆ: Well
you know only what they tell you. Such stone balls, the spherical
stones are found everywhere in the world, in the places that were
covered by ice. Those are the creations from the ice age, do you understand me?
BOJIĆ: Yes, but they have not been found yet in
IMAMOVIĆ: They exist in
BOJIĆ: But they haven’t been discovered there yet, professor Imamović.
IMAMOVIĆ: Excuse me?
BOJIĆ: They have not been found there yet professor. Imamović.
IMAMOVIĆ: I can tell you that they have been found. Any place on the planet that was covered by ice has them. Look for these things in the
BOJIĆ: What do you think?
IMAMOVIĆ: Yes
indeed, I am asking you. Those are the remains, created through
Geological phases. It was not built by humans. The canyon existed
before the humans, for million years.
One of the 8 stone balls found, with perfect spherical shape, in Teočak, near
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: „ Same thing, also the work of nature just like anything else in the World. “
BOJIĆ: Let me ask you the next question. How do you explain Gornje Vratnice?
IMAMOVIĆ: How?
BOJIĆ: Yes, how?
IMAMOVIĆ: I didn’t understand the question.
BOJIĆ: How
can you explain Gornje Vratnice? I went to visit Gornje Vratnice, and
have seen the stone blocks, also neatly carved and lying down and have
the wavy pattern on top. Pr. Dr. Egyptologist- Mohamed Ibrahim Allyhad
said that the pattern had its purpose to connect the blocks. Pr. Ally
had showed me the difference between the joints that are man made and
those that are natural, and according to Pr. Ally, the structure in
Gornje Vratnice is also man made. How do you explain that?
IMAMOVIĆ: Look, everything you are asking, and the fact that I am answering to such questions is funny. He
is talking about some connecting joints and concrete blocks from the
time when people were living in caves. For God’s sake, I told you this
yesterday; what connecting joints, what concrete? At the time, the man
lived in a cave, could not build even a house, not even to mention some
connecting joints and cement. How could he build the pyramids? This is extremely silly, an absurd. And those telling you such things are not experts.
This detail shows the plateau with the plated blocks, having the mosaic of the smaller blocks, 12 cm thick. This is the northern side of the Toprakalija elevation, in Gornje Vratnice. On the top of theses blocks, there is the wavy pattern, identical pattern is found on the Moon Pyramid
Prof.
Dr. Enver Imamović: „Look, everything you are asking, and the fact that
I am answering to such questions is funny. At the time people were
living in caves. They could not build even houses “
Professor Dario Andretta, Dr. Geologist, also a Rector at
Prof. Dr. Enver Imamović: „Andretta? Those are the anonyms, so-called experts’
IMAMOVIĆ: We are talking about the monuments that I already mentioned, the prehistoric, the Roman and midlevel monuments.
BOJIĆ: Prof. Imamović, Mr. Osmanagić is not excavating even near the
IMAMOVIĆ: Where are they looking for the pyramid than, on the bottom of the hill?
BOJIĆ: They are excavating from the bottom towards the top.
IMAMOVIĆ: So how tall would that pyramid be, 100.000m?
BOJIĆ: The experts say about 200 and plus meters, and apparently a lot taller than the Khufu Pyramid.
The
signatures of the members of Federal Ministry of culture. In June,2006.
the ministry had concluded beyond the doubt, the Fondation is not
causing any harm or threat to city of Visoko.
Prof. dr. Enver Imamović: „Because he ( Osmanagic) will responsible for ruining those monuments.
IMAMOVIĆ: We are talking about the monuments that I already mentioned, the prehistoric, the Roman and midlevel monuments.
BOJIĆ: Prof. Imamović, Mr. Osmanagić is not excavating even near the
IMAMOVIĆ: Where are they looking for the pyramid than, on the bottom of the hill?
BOJIĆ: They are excavating from the bottom towards the top.
IMAMOVIĆ: So how tall would that pyramid be, 100.000m?
BOJIĆ: The experts say about 200 and plus meters, and apparently a lot taller than the Khufu Pyramid.
The excavations on the Sun Pyramid are taking place significantly further from the Ancient City..
Prof. dr. Enver Imamović: „Where are they looking for the pyramid than, on the bottom of the hill ?“
IMAMOVIĆ: I fail every student who doesn't know such things.
BOJIĆ: Let's not talk about that.
IIMAMOVIĆ: It is silly to even talk about it.
BOJIĆ: Prof.Imamović, this is just the interview, you don't have to be upset over this.
IMAMOVIĆ:
Ok, but I don't have the time any more, the students are waiting for
me. I have given you 15 minutes of my time, and I don't have the time
any more. I have to hang up the phone soon.
BOJIĆ:
Prof. Šehić from your University had told me yesterday that Mr.
Osmanagić „owns the media outlets in Bosnia and Herzegovina“, and he
also said that Osmanagić „was sitting for a long time, thinking how to
hoax the pyramids one day“. How can one person sit all these years and
think about the scam like this?
IMAMOVIĆ: I don't know anything about that, I am just telling you that he has nothing to do with the science. It
can be amusing to the media and the public, but it has nothing to do
with the science. This is the scientific stand point of view.
BOJIĆ:
I don't want to waste much of your time, but you have not answered my
question; why don't you go to Visoko, so you can see what I had seen?
IMAMOVIĆ: There is no need for me to go there, there is nothing to be seen.
BOJIĆ: How can you talk like this prof. Imamovic?
IMAMOVIĆ: Because I am very familiar with the entire area of that place.
BOJIĆ: You cannot go even to visit the plateau of the Moon Pyramid?
IMAMOVIĆ: What
Pyramid for God's sake ? I am telling you, this is silly for the
science, I am not the journalist, I am the archaeologist, I have to
hang up now, my students are waiting for me.
The photo shows the plateau OF THE Moon Pyramid.
PROF. DR. ENVER IMAMOVIĆ: „WHAT PYRAMID, FOR GOD'S SAKE?
BOJIĆ: O.K. I never got your e-mail you promised to send....
IMAMOVIĆ: I am very busy night and day; I have the exams and a lot of students..
BOJIĆ:
But you and professor Šehić had promised to send me your e-mail, which
will prove that Osmanagić’s hypotheses are wrong. I never got that
e-mail from you.
IMAMOVIĆ: I don’t know what he said…..
BOJIĆ: No, no... You have said that.
IMAMOVIĆ: What did I say?
BOJIĆ: You said that you would send me that e-mail, and you promised that yesterday morning.
IMAMOVIĆ: I don’t have the time, I cannot do it now, and I have the exams.
BOJIĆ: When are you going to have the time, professor Imamović, and can you tell me one more thing?
IMAMOVIĆ: I am in a hurry.
BOJIĆ: O.K. just for the record, you are claiming that this entire thing is a huge hoax and none of the Osmanagic’s claims are true?
IMAMOVIĆ: That’s right.
BOJIĆ: Can you tell me why someone should believe you?
IMAMOVIĆ: I did not say that, no one has to believe me.
BOJIĆ:
Why shouldn’t someone believe to those Egyptologists; Dr. Mohamed
Ibrahim Ally, Lamija El Hadidi, Ally Barakat etc.? Why should someone
believe you?
IMAMOVIĆ: You don’t have to believe me, people can judge for themselves. Any smart person can judge whom to believe.
BOJIĆ: What is this supposed to mean?
IMAMOVIĆ: excuse me?
BOJIĆ: What is that supposed to mean?
IMAMOVIĆ: I
cannot convince you to believe in something or not to believe. It was a
pleasure to speak to you; I have to end this phone conversation, since
I have the exams.
BOJIĆ: All right, Professor Imamovic.
Imamovic: Take care.
Bojic: Likewise.
The Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun in the winter
