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GEOLOGIST CORIC: WHY THE PYRAMIDS ARE NOT THE PYRAMIDS Print E-mail
Written by Merima Bojic   
- 11.05.2007

Here is yet another geologist who publicly denounced the Foundationís project and the research in the Bosnian Valley of the Pyramids. His name is Dr. Stjepan »oriś. In this interview he is explaining why he thinks that the pyramids are not man made structures and he is also talking about his indecisiveness and confusion when talking about the Pyramid of the Sun and its perfect geometrical shape, its cardinal points and the stone spheres in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

INTERVIEW with DR STJEPAN »ORI∆
Merima Bojic

M: DR. ∆oriś, can you hear me?
∆: Yes, I can hear you, go on.
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M: O.K. The reason for this interview is the fact that I noticed that you are one of the opponents to the Foundationís project and the pyramids in Visoko and I would like to know why and what do you think about all this?
V: Do you have a direct question or do you want me to comment?
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M: Just give me your opinion on that. Why do you think that those structures are not the pyramids?
∆: I was there only once but I was born in that neighborhood, near Kreöevo , which is about 24-25 kilometers far from Visoko. I used to work a lot there before the war and I am very familiar with the geological situation over there.  I was there on those excavated areas last year and what I saw looked natural, and I found nothing which would make me think that those layers of dirt and blocks were man made. I am just a little bit confused with geomorphology, meaning the perfect geometrical shape of that hill.  Although, such geomorphology is often present and itís a natural process, so everything over there is natural. I saw nothing that indicates otherwise, meaning those structures are not man made.  
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M: DR. »oriś, you mentioned that you are a little bit confused with the perfect geometry of the hill that looks like a pyramid, but we are talking here about several hills which look like the pyramids.
∆: Those are the two sides that confuse me and the line between the sides of the pyramid, which is unclear; I never saw something like that in nature before, I mean such geometrical shape. I cannot find a single argument to confirm that in fact those structures are man made, just those two or three sides of the hill, because there is no explanation for that. The actual hill is geologically composed, those conglomerates for which Osmnagiś is claiming that are man made, are natural formation. This means that I donít believe that any of that is man made.
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M:  Excuse me, but you never visited the Pyramid of the Moon or Pljeöevica hill while the excavations were taking place?
∆: No, I never went there
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M: However, I went there and I saw neat blocks, stone blocks which are clean cut and laid down.
∆: It is possible, I didnít see them but I am planning to go there before Easter, sometime in April. I will be going to Bosnia and I will see those locations that I have seen only on the pictures, including the blocks with the wavy texture/pattern for which one Egyptian geologist is claiming that they were purposely made like that, which a complete nonsense.  Such wavy pattern or texture is naturally made and is found near the lakes and coastlines, where the work of waves is noticeable, meaning it is totally natural. I never saw those blocks but I am going to check it out, because I am very interested to see them.  ,
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M: Of course,
∆: I am looking forward to see everything that I have been seeing only on the pictures and their web. I have a very good and positive opinion about this project and I support Mr. Osmanagiś and I would like him to be objective; he should figure out if those structures are man made or not. However, my opinion is that I saw nothing man made but it doesnít mean that I am right and it doesnít mean that the pyramids do not exists. I am just telling you what I saw.  
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M: You are a geologist, and Professor Govedarica told me that he is an archaeologist and he told me that he couldnít explain the stone balls. He told me that I need to ask a geologist. So, you are a geologist, can you explain those stone balls?

∆: I saw those stone balls on the pictures; I think those which they found near Tuzla-made of granite. Such stone balls are not naturally made; granite does not come like that in nature spherically shaped. I think that they are man made because there are many sandstone balls in nature but nothing like this, made of granite. I never saw such perfect stone balls; I donít know what to tell you.
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M: What do you think who made them?
∆: I donít believe that they are natural.  
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M: So, how are they made than?
∆: I donít know that.  
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M: You have no hypothesis, meaning what their purpose was?

∆: No, I donít really know that and I donít even think about such things; who made them and why. I can just tell you from my experience what is naturally made and what is artificial. So, I never saw such stone balls in nature, made of granite and I am not familiar with any literature that talks and explains the stone balls that are made of granite.  There are many different rocks which secrete spherical stones but like these ones, made of granite, I never saw anything like that before.  
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M: How do you explain the underground tunnels and intersections at angles of 45 degrees?
∆: Those tunnels could be naturally made but I donít know if they are at angles of 45 degrees. I saw on their web site those tunnels and if everything is true, if those tunnels are really at angles of 45 degrees, and if the entire network is mapped, wellÖ than itís is strange. It could be one thing; the possible cavities existed and they can very well be at angles of 45 degrees.  
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M:  And 90 degrees?
∆:I have to see that.  I never entered those tunnels and I am looking forward to see the tunnels as well.  You see, there are many tunnels over there, the natural caverns, because water carried and washed away lots of the material and that megalith which he (Osmanagic) is mentioning was also transported. I think that megalith is a large rock which was transported by water; water can transport anything, thatís not a problem, and it could also shape the rock.. All I can tell is that I saw that on the photos.  

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M: You mentioned that you saw the interview which I conducted with Professor Imamoviś,
∆: Yes, I saw that.  
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M: And what is your comment on what he said?
∆: Many things that he mentioned are correct. However, I donít know what their relationship is, I think they are in some type of a quarrel, perhaps some type of the private quarrel. However, he says that he doesnít wish to go and visit the excavations in question, because he is very familiar with the terrain. I think that he should go to see those locations and state his opinion one way or the other. He distanced himself too much but such things are moving Bosnia forward, and all those who have something against this project should go and research those locations and than state their opinions.   
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M: I agree. Can you tell me anything about Gornje Vratnice?
∆:  I donít know anything about that, I havenít seen it yet. What is it, can you tell me what it is?
M: Well, you have to go to see it, and they think that it could be a possible shrine.
∆: Well, when it comes to archaeology, I am no expert for that, and I do not wish to get involved in such discussions.  Any remains and archaeological findings, I have no comment, since I am not competent for such things. So, I have no comments about that.
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M: OK.

∆: Can I just tell you how and why my curiosity arose about the pyramid over there in Bosnia ? We have here in Vienna one project about the seashells and fossils which was assigned in  Bosnia ís freshwaters and lakes, and I read that Osmanagiś started with the excavations. So, I was very interested to see the excavated material and I was looking for fossils. I absolutely donít wish to get involved or interfere with his project. So everything I see and comment is my private business and I do not represent any institution when I make my comments.
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M: OK. You mentioned that you are confused with the perfect geometry of those hills in Bosnia , but how can you explain the cardinal points?  Those sides of the hills are aligned with the compass points.
∆: I canít explain that. It could be natural.  
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M: And the Northern star as well?
∆: I donít know and who knows if itís true?  As much as I have read about the astrology, they could be manipulating here.
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M: Dr. Coriś, they did thermal imaging, satellite and topographic analyses and everything has been confirmed.
∆: That could be possible but I can give only my opinion about the geology and what you are talking about is astronomy and astrology. I do not wish to discuss such things because I am no expert for that.
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M: Well, I can tell you that you are one of the most honest people that I spoke to
C : Thank you, I hold no monopoly over the truth and I am telling you what I observed over there and thatís all.  
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M: When are you going to Visoko?
∆: I will go to visit Bosnia before Easter, at the beginning of April and I will definitely visit Visoko to see what is going on.  I am very much interested to see the excavated sites and I am interested to see the sandstones, and based on those textures, one can easily tell how and what type of water shaped them that way and the original depth. It will be also clear where that material came from and how old those layers are.
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M: So, you think that those hills are layered for sure; there are not man made structures?  C: Those rocks are layered in Zenica-Sarajevo basin in the Miocene, the upper Miocene, let me just open one map and I will tell you roughly how old those hills are. This is geologically very well described and; the geologists from Sarajevo ís Geological Institute have researched that area very well, and described it. You see, there are geological maps where it states how old those hills/ rocks are and how thick they are. Letís see, that is the upper Miocene and is about 11-15 million years old.  No one knows for sure, one million more or less, the middle and upper Miocene.
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M: Prof. Imamoviś told me that those were the house foundations and remains from pre-history and the Roman age.
∆: It is possible, thatís archaeology that you are talking about now.  
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M: Well, how could it be both?
∆: No, those are rocks which were formed as I told you already, and they could have been carved and cut and used for the house foundations, do you understand? Those rocks were used for the construction of some objects.  
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M: Donít you think that they could have been used for the construction of the pyramids?  
∆:  You mean man made?
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M:  Yes ,
∆: I think they are not man made, they are natural, and such conglomerates are stretching in Sarajevo-Zenica basin. I donít know how thick that layer is but, perhaps 100 meters or more. Not a single human hand could build such large hills/objects; you have them all over Bosnia , especially near Travnik, Zenica, Kakanj-all over. There are many good geological maps from that area. Perhaps, you should contact the Geological Institute in Iliděa- Sarajevo - they are very competent for these things.   
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M: So, how could Professor Imamoviś say those things, he is not a geologist but archaeologist. Do you not agree with him on this?
∆: Thatís his business whatever he says.
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M: But he is not a geologist. He told me that geology and archaeology have nothing in common, and as an archaeologist he was explaining the stone balls and their composition.  
∆: I am afraid you have to ask him that question.  
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M: I would like to know what you think about all that.
∆: I donít understand, are you asking me about Pr. Imamovic and his statements or the stone balls?
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M: Well, if he is not a geologist how could he tell me that those stone balls resulted from the Ice Age?  You told me that you saw that interview, and you as a geologist are telling me that those stone balls are man made, You just told me that granite does not come naturally spherically shaped like that.
∆: What I have seen on the pictures looks man made, and I am referring to those found near TeoŤak,
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M: OK. ,
∆: Such stone balls could not result from glaciers, as Pr. Imamovic mentioned. Those that I saw on their web seem to be man made, but who made them and when, I have no idea. There are many spherical objects in nature but nothing like that. They have to be man made but as I mentioned, I just saw the photos.  
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M: Dr. Barekat from Egypt said the same thing, but Dr. Robert Schoch, a geologist from USA said that there are no geological explanations for those stone spheres, and Pr. Imamovic said that they resulted from the glaciers. So, how can someone like me find what the truth really is?
∆: Aha, well, you have to decide what to believe and what makes sense to you.  

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M: Well, it is logical. If granite does not come spherically shaped like that naturally, than it has to be man made.
∆: I think it is man made, because such stone balls made of granite are not natural but artificial.
M:  So, you think that professor Imamovic is wrong?
∆: Well, when it comes to those stone balls, they are not natural, they have perfect spherical shape.  
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M: Ok, I think that you have answered many of my questions and I would like to ask you now about Dr .Barakat from Egypt , he is a geologist who researched that entire area and confirmed the existence of the pyramids. He said that everything there was man made, and I also met Dr. Mohammed I. Ally; we went together to the plateau of the Moon Pyramid. He was very surprised and he also told me that everything there is man made. 
∆: You know, the geologists from Egypt can be good geologists in Egypt .  
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M: What do you mean?
∆: There are many good geologists in Bosnia .  
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M: Yes, but many of them are unemployed.
∆: I know, but the ones who have a lot of experience are those in Sarajevo, and they are very familiar with geology of   Bosnia and Herzegovina . You have to ask them about these things and their opinion, they know much more than those geologists from Egypt .  
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M: Do geologists research rocks?
∆: Yes
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M: Well, one concrete block looks the same in Egypt and in Bosnia .
∆: Well, I donít know what are they comparing and what they have over there but all the conglomerates that they have on Visocica hill are all natural conglomerates.  
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M: The Institute from Tuzla did some lab analyses and they said those concrete blocks were poured at the scene.
∆: I donít believe it.  
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M:  The Civil Institute from Tuzla gave that statement sir.

∆: I donít believe it. That has to be a mistake. My colleagues geologists from Tuzla   stated that it was all natural formation.

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M: Dr. Coric, I was there when they had a press conference and they stated that they conducted many lab analyses. They confirmed that those structures were man made and according to them, those concrete blocks were poured at the scene.  They also said that those blocks are much sturdier than any other blocks found in that area and the entire Bosnia and Herzegovina . 
∆: I donít believe it. I would take those samples and send them to different local and foreign institutions, and I would request different opinions. It could be only calcium-carbonate, which resulted in the connecting materials of those conglomerates.  I think when conducting such analyses, you have to send them to 3 different institutions, and you have to compare the results.  
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M: Would you be interested in conducting those analyses?
∆: NO, I DONíT HAVE THE TIME, and I donít do such things. Some of my colleagues are experts for those things, my specialty is different. I am a geologist and paleontologist, and I never conducted any similar analyses.
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M: What would it take for you to be convinced that those structures are perhaps man made?
∆: What would it take? Well, it would take some remains and signs of the human activity, and I never saw any remains, artifacts, no signs of  human activity. There are no blocks over there which were man made, those are natural hills. When I went to visit there last year, they were showing me some sandstone plate, about 20 cm long and they showed me something that looks like a stair. That is simply a normal sandstone, which could be found anywhere in nature. Everything that I have seen so far in those hills is natural- there is nothing artificial.  
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M: But you mentioned that you never visited the pyramid of the Moon. There are some blocks there that look as if perfectly cut and laid down.
∆: I have not seen that yet, but I would like to.
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M: You can also see that on the Foundationís web site.
∆: Everything I have seen on their web is possibly natural, including the fractures; it is all possibly naturally formed.  
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M: No, I was talking about those perfect clean cut blocks,
∆: But they were not cut, that is the result of the tectonic activity.  
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M: At such perfect angels?
∆: What do you mean? It is possible.  
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M: So, why do those hills look like the pyramids?
∆: I donít know why they have that geomorphic shape, I really donít know.  
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M: Why is the Moon Pyramid terrace like shaped?
∆: I havenít seen that, I have to look into that.  
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M: Did you ever travel to Latin America ?
∆:  No, unfortunately
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M: Some pyramids have that terrace- shape look.
∆: I never saw those pyramids, just on the pictures, but I have not seen any of these pyramids in Bosnia that resemble those in Latin America . They donít look the same.   
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M: Well, I never said that they were the same. None of the pyramids are identical and some of them are terrace- like shaped just like the Moon Pyramid.
∆: Well, I would have to go and see all that but based on what I have seen on the pictures; they donít resemble those in Latin America .
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M: As I said, all those pyramids are different.
∆: Excuse me?  
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M: I guess you have to see all that; it is hard to judge from the pictures.
∆: You are right; may I just ask you if you have any opinion about those so-called pyramids?
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M: You know what, I am not a geologist or an archaeologist; I am majoring in history and Political science here in Los Angeles . However, based on what I have seen, everything seems to me as if it was man made. You are a geologist, and you said that Mother Nature could create many things but once when you see the plateau of the Moon Pyramid, you wonít be that much suspicious anymore.
∆:  Thatís OK. You have your own opinion?
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M: As I said, I am not a geologist or archaeologist, it seems to me that way, and in addition to that, Dr. Ally told me that those structures are man made.
∆: Itís OK. I was just asking if you had your own opinion about this.  
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M: I just gave you my opinion.,
∆: I asked you this question because I noticed in your interview with Pr. Imamovic, you tried to prove your point of view, and for such a project it would be important to Ö..,
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M: Let me explain, I told Pr. Imamoviś that I met the geophysicists from Belgrade and I also told him about the geophysicists from Germany , but he tried to misinform me. He said that those people were just some students. I was there, I met those people, and I noticed that Pr. Imamovic wanted to misinform me.
∆: I agree with you, but when working on some projects, you have to be open- minded. You are not supposed to be subjective, because it could influence the outcome of your project.  
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M: I agree.
∆: I wanted to tell you that it is much easier to work on the project with an objective attitude. ,
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M: I sincerely wanted to be objective, but it is hard for anyone to be objective with Pr. Imamovic.  
∆:  I donít know that, I never spoke to him.  
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M: Well, I did, and as one professor, he should have conducted himself in the proper fashion.
∆: Thatís OK. It was just my impression from that interview. You asked many provocative questions, which is fine; the questions sometimes have to be provocative. Overall, the interview was interesting. However, you had our own opinionÖ
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M: well, how could someone not have an opinion? You saw from that interview, he said that there is no need for him to visit the locations in question. He has never even visited those locations.
∆: Well, thatís his business.  
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M: And this is my business.
∆: But, you are not here to tell your opinion! You are here to research the facts and to find the truth..  
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M: Well, thatís exactly what I am doing, and I didnít know why Pr. Imamovic was misinforming me.
∆:  That says more about him. If he does not want to visit those locations, that says a lot more about his attitude.  
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M: Yes, indeed.
∆: That is his attitude, he doesnít want to go there to see those locations and Ö,
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M: Tell me where are you employed Dr. Coric?
∆: I work for the geological institute here in Vienna ; I work with sediments and mapping,    which means that I spend a lot of time in nature. I have 3 field trips every month, meaning my job is to recognize the rocks and their shapes and to determine what sediments were formed within the aquatic environment and so on. For instance, the same rocks as those in Visoko, and in addition to that, I am also a paleontologist, I research the fossils.  
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M: You just told me that I was very subjective but I get the feeling that you are subjective too when it comes to this project.
∆: I donít understand.  
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M: You told me that I was very subjective, but I can see that you are subjective as well when it comes to the pyramids in Visoko.
∆: No, itís OK. When someone is working on a projectÖ
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M: I asked you a question. You never conducted any research there in Bosnia but you are already claiming that those hills and rocks, created naturally, water carried certain blocks.
∆: Thatís right. Any geologist that deals with sediments understands this. You can determine this even from the photos. I have to go and see if those rocks resulted from layers of sediments, which is the basic thing for any geologist to figure this out.  
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M: I am sorry, I am not a geologist, but would it be the same as if one doctor looked at his patient and claimed right a way what type of a disease the patient has, without even conducting any analyses?
∆: Excuse me but that is not the same.  
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M: Letís say, one doctor looks at one of your photos and claims right a way that you have a tumor...
∆: Excuse me but this is not the same. The sediments are easy to recognize, I was there and that was enough.  
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M: Is it possible that you may have seen some rocks, possibly just sediments?  
∆: We went; well I was with my colleagues and we were hiking up that hill, all the way from Visoko and it took us about 4 or 5 hours. So, we had an opportunity to see that entire area and those rocks.
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M: But this was more than one year ago?
∆: The rocks are rocks, regardless, one year or millions of years ago.  
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M: They have excavated quite a bit since that time.
∆: I am looking forward to see all that.  
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M: Yes, itís going to be interesting.
∆: I would like to ask Mr. Osmanagiś to allow me to take some photos of those rocks, they are very interesting.  
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M: I donít think that you are going to have any problems with that.
∆: Thatís great, even better.
M: You gave me many answers to my questions and I would like to thank you for that. I hope to see you in Visoko, and I wish you all the best.
C: All the best to you too. 
 
 
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